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on the Wiscon issue

I have many thoughts, but few of them are clear and easy to articulate. The ones I can state include:

I believe it should have been a permanent ban, but I do not know what went on in discussions that caused people not to do that.

I believe if they were going to do this four year provisional thing, it should have been made more clear whether he can come back earlier if he proves he has reformed, and what level of proof of reformation would be required both before and after the four year period.

I truly believe that everyone involved was doing the best that they could in a fucked up situation with the information available, but there should have been more continuous communication between different years of con management, and a more deliberate effort to get more information.

More personally, I only interacted directly with frenkel twice. the first time he was rude to one of my children, and dismissed my speaking up for my kid rudely, and the second time he sat down to talk to me based on something he had overheard in a conversation, and made me subtly uncomfortable just by acting overly familiar and staring at my tits. Both of these incidents would have been in 09,(I think, maybe later, but while I was still married) and were enough that I avoided him ever since and was not surprised when more serious allegations surfaced. It seems likely to me that a lot of people encountered this sort of borderline harassment from him without ever feeling like it was something that could be reported because it was just subtle enough that you can't point at it.

also, this is making me reconsider my decision not to join the concomm a couple of years back,because y'all need angry people like me

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Jul. 22nd, 2014 09:54 pm (UTC)
It would be a good idea to email a copy of your encounters with Frenkel as you posted here to the committee--the more cases they have, no matter how borderline, the better, as they reevaluate their response.
Jul. 23rd, 2014 04:56 am (UTC)
It really falls more into "sense of creepiness" than harassment or whatever.
Jul. 23rd, 2014 02:11 pm (UTC)
I think it would still be useful for them to have, and it's back up for the women who have been harassed.
Jul. 24th, 2014 08:25 am (UTC)
I'll think on it. at this point I have at least mentioned it.
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